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I got a bit excited about that oil painting filter thing that I used for that last post, so uh have some notes/a timeline and a bit more of artist!Scipio's masterpieces? For a given definition of masterpieces, since I'm mostly taking screencaps from Hannibal: Rome's Worst Nightmare (which is a v interesting docudrama FYI) and manipulating them a lil.

I've been thinking a lot about this AU for the last few days, trying to figure out how exactly it would all work. My research into Renaissance artists tells me the age to begin an apprenticeship is around 10-12 (it's unusual, but not unheard of for it to begin earlier). Depending on the city, the length of apprenticeships is generally 2-3 years and they work up from menial duties & sketching to helping with backgrounds/minor figures in their masters' paintings & painting their own works. Once they complete the apprenticeship, they become a journeyman, who I gathered kinda just wanders around looking for inspiration to paint a masterpiece, which they would then submit to a board of some sort that decided whether they were good enough to be a master (& therefore get to have their own workshop).

So, from that, I decided that Scipio was 10 when he became apprenticed to Hannibal and was so talented that he graduated to assisting with painting very quickly (but nevertheless stayed as an apprentice for an extra two years because he wanted to learn everything he possibly could). He became a journeyman when he was 15 or 16, headed off and began his first masterpiece (which was brilliant, obvs, but is ~lost to time).

His next masterpiece is Sunrise at Le Vene del Tevere, 1551. My Italian is so shitty, but I think the original name would be something like Alba a Vene del Tevere. I am very likely wrong though. I might change the name anyway when I get a chance to look properly at the Italian landscape around Rome and find out whether that place actually existed yet in the 16th Century & if so, whether it was actually called that yet.

His next known painting would be a self-portrait. (Just imagine this is a crop of the full thing...) He was 26 in 1556 when he painted it. Which, speaking of his age, I've worked out both Scipio and Hannibal's ages by choosing the year of their death (1583, to correspond with 283BC for no real reason except that it pleased me) and working backwards. So while Scipio was born in 1530 in this universe, Hannibal was born in 1519.

Scipio's self-portrait (actor: Simon Woods)
Self-portrait, 1556 (source)

In the intervening years, though, Scipio would have returned to Rome (in 1548 or early 1549) and reconnected with Hannibal. Hannibal loses his eye to infection in mid to late 1549 (at the same age as in reality).

(This isn't really relevant to the AU itself, but I kind of imagine that the time period between 1548-1560 is the most contentious in terms of who painted what. Basically all of Scipio and Hannibal's paintings from this period were attributed to Scipio, and even once it was realised that some of them were Hannibal's, there was (and continues to be!) a lot of argument for/against one of them painting a certain masterpiece and that there are a bunch of paintings that everyone's just given up on knowing whose it is.)

Two years after the self-portrait is the first Barca portrait. And just. Imagine he's missing an eye, I guess. 

Portrait of Hannibal (actor: Alexander Siddig)
Hannibal Barca, 1558 (source)

Scipio would've done a lot of commissions, but I've gotten really attached to the idea of him at some point coming across the Punic Wars and finding inspiration in imaging himself and Hannibal in those roles (since, obvs in this verse, those people aren't H & S). Maybe this is something a lot of present day art historians don't know though! They don't realise that Scipio's been sneaking Hannibal into his art for years on either side of his Barca portraits. Not until his sketchbooks are found & authenticated, and they find the evidence of it in his drawings and notes.  

Before the Battle at Zama; Hannibal & his men approach from the left, Scipio & his men from the right
Before the Battle at Zama, date unknown

Hannibal sitting at a table with sunlight streaming in from a high window to the right
Death Before Capture, 1567

(Both of the above manips are from screencaps of the doco I linked up top, fyi.) 

I also really want to try my hand at a few of Scipio's sketches, but the best I can do with Photoshop alone just doesn't fit at all in the Renaissance style of drawing. I've been image searching a bit though and, idk, maybe I can try to mimick the style well enough to do up some rough sketches...especially considering I just found a sketch that's almost perfect

Date: 21 Apr 2015 09:07 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dhampyresa
Oh, hey, it's SIMON WOODS. :D Also, if you draw some of the sketches, I will love you forever.

The paintings look great and I'm really loving the timeline you've got so far and the idea of Scipio sneaking Hannibal in his paintings. Ngl, I'm headcanoning that a lot of those paintings that have an uncertain provenance were painted by the both of them.

(and omg them finding parallels with the Second Punic War. Maybe because the names are the same? They're both names that have been used in Italy at the time, if rarely.)

Date: 25 Apr 2015 10:35 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dhampyresa
All caps SIMON WOODS is forever hilarious to me, ngl, and that is a very good picture. I really like what the photoshop did with the lighting! (Meanwhile, my hands don't get that level of realism at all. I keep going BUT HOW at it, lmao.)


OF COURSE HE DOES. He's such a dork, seriously.

Date: 27 Apr 2015 12:12 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dhampyresa
It came from a histoy subthread derail. I can dig it out, if you want. (I've been working on more realistic faces lately, but it is hard.)

YES THAT IS PERFECT (they are so adorable <3) Ngl, I kind of want to read all about the cofnsued art historians, including the one who figures it out.

YES (I'm sorry i seem to be unable to communicate with you beyond base flailing at this point.)

Date: 1 May 2015 12:30 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dhampyresa
As far as I can tell, it started with this thread: http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/131867.html?thread=687210267#cmt687210267 but the first use of all caps SIMON WOODS was here, iirc: http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/132102.html?thread=688255494#cmt688255494 and since then he's shown up in various places like http://fail-fandomanon.dreamwidth.org/132850.html?thread=692346866#cmt692346866

(I'm actually working on a SIMON WOODS pencil portrait at the studio currently, and so far all I can say is HOLY SHIT SHADOWS ARE VERY USEFUL. Too bad I kind of suck at shading, hence this project so I can get better at both shading and realistic faces.)

You should totally write about the historians having vicious fights through academic papers.

Date: 3 May 2015 08:23 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dhampyresa
Ngl, poking the other anon to get them to post pictures was an utter joy.

(I almost called someone Nonny in real life a few days ago, lmao, so I feel you. Yeah, I'll post the finished product somewhere if it's not too terrible.)

And then they bang. I really look forward to the series of emails between the two, omg. OMG SIX? YOU SPOIL ME I LOVE YOU

Date: 8 May 2015 12:11 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dhampyresa
...That's the one I'm doing at the studio, lmao.

(You can always say it's a Shakespeare thing, if they ask. I can't.)


Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, this is excellent! I love it so! Scipio's fear and hope really shine through.

Edit: does that mean I owe you a snippet?
Edited Date: 8 May 2015 12:12 am (UTC)

Date: 10 May 2015 09:46 pm (UTC)
dhampyresa: (Default)
From: [personal profile] dhampyresa
I can't promise it'll be any good, you understand?

Thank you! (I'd wondered if one of them was you.) The conflicting emotions are easily my favourite bit, ngl.


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